tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post8022768429087063361..comments2023-06-19T10:45:56.724-04:00Comments on Player Versus Developer: Changing the Drake Rules MidwayGreen Armadillohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15564045048380177626noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-13899792348126926072009-03-10T11:51:00.000-04:002009-03-10T11:51:00.000-04:00I understand your point as they could very well ch...I understand your point as they could very well change the mount speed or remove the achievement completely. It is kind of difficult to trust them sometimes.<BR/><BR/>I'll still do the holiday events because they are kind of fun (with some exceptions) and I like to get the titles rewarded for them. If I get that drake its cool, if not that's cool too.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08664144020646066122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-1319356218237338582009-03-10T10:52:00.000-04:002009-03-10T10:52:00.000-04:00Personally, I don't care if the mount is 310% or 2...Personally, I don't care if the mount is 310% or 280%... I'm still going to get it. <BR/><BR/>In fact, I was just thinking today that if I were to get a 310% speed mount I would have quite the quandary on my hands. See - I'm a mount collector. I have been since LONG before Achievements were added. I have 67 mounts including a few drops, some vendor bought, and a bunch of reputation mounts. But if I were to suddenly have a 310% speed mount in my stable... what would I do with the other 20 epic flying mounts I have (including my Albino Drake Achievement reward)? I guess I could just let them go to waste, but that goes against the whole idea of being a collector.Dorgolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12936803721440329897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-39587082117653859622009-03-10T09:53:00.000-04:002009-03-10T09:53:00.000-04:00I think the thing that blizzard has done that is m...I think the thing that blizzard has done that is most clever is put a large variety of things in the game to motivate people. I personally skip any holiday content almost entirely (I did randomly get the 18 slot pumpkin bag), but some people really do like achievements for their own sake, and they are a time sink. My drug of choice in the game is crafting, and that is a time sink also. Other people will PvP or raid. Wow may not be a perfectly game, but it does have something for everyone.Fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17653252976648480240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-27483220006413311552009-03-10T00:01:00.000-04:002009-03-10T00:01:00.000-04:00I understand some things need to be tweaked and ce...I understand some things need to be tweaked and certainly, some of these achievement requirements need to be tweaked a bit.<BR/><BR/>That said, I hope they don't decide to only award the violet drake for the first year's worth of completing "What a Long Strange Trip." I know I'm going to need at least through to the next Valentine's event. I was sorta happy that the Brewfest meta-achievement was removed because it would have taken me like 2 years then.<BR/><BR/>But, with the changes to some of the other drake rewards... I'm wondering how limited they will make this one to keep it rare. <BR/><BR/>/sigh<BR/><BR/>I love the holiday events. But I still stick with the fact that I liked them BEFORE achievements... back when I did them for fun with other like-minded people instead of worrying about ticking things off the achievement list. :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-71859874667293804132009-03-09T17:37:00.000-04:002009-03-09T17:37:00.000-04:00Maybe they can give the drake 290% speed...Maybe they can give the drake 290% speed...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-25739756838272387602009-03-09T17:07:00.000-04:002009-03-09T17:07:00.000-04:00@DJ: I would definitely prefer not to see major cl...@DJ: I would definitely prefer not to see major class mechanics overhauled mid-expansion, if for no other reason than because soon-to-be-worthless spirit litters the cloth itemization landscape at 80. Developers are in a tough spot because there is also substantial presure from the player base to add things to the game, and that's always going to upset the existing balance. I won't claim to understand whether the spirit nerf was necessary, but I certainly think that it should have been done during the beta if they were going to do it. Apparently Blizzard too is not opposed to launching before they're ready. <BR/><BR/>@Herc: It is irritating that they didn't get to that one before the holiday that needed it. I ran that quest with a guildie to get the achievement for his Death Knight. It turned out to be worth my while, since I was able to hijack the group to go kill some group quests that I needed for the Blade's Edge quest achievement while we were there. Still, it was a bit disproportionately hard on characters who didn't have Ogr'ila access from the TBC era. <BR/><BR/>In hindsight, the best thing to have done would have been not to roll out the drake until AFTER the first year was complete (or even have it be a Feat of Strength that wouldn't be available in future years). That way, the drake would have been suitably rare and would have gone to people who chose to do the holidays for their own sake - something extra for people who already did the holidays, rather than something that people set out to do the holidays for. It also would have allowed them to work out which achievements were reasonable after the fact, rather than implementing them all and waiting to see which ones were broken. (Of course, this would only work for the first year it happened, the next year players would swarm every new event in the hopes of a new Feat of Strength.) <BR/><BR/>Instead, Blizzard wanted this thing to be a major driver of interest in the world events. They succeeded - I looked at the original sinister calling, concluded that I wasn't going to do it, and was fully prepared to write the whole thing off until they reversed course. However, they also failed. Because it's all-or-nothing, players like you who hit a single roadblock give up. Players who would otherwise have given up and thought nothing of it continue on because they already invested so much in the previous events. No matter how this shakes out, no one will be happy.<BR/><BR/>One final point on the mount speed - Blizzard has said that Kel'Thuzad's items are a tier higher than the rest of Naxx because they did not think that KT kills would be as common as they are. Changing the mount speed now, after players have done half of the events involved (presuming Blizzard doesn't add a dozen more), would be like going into the game and nerfing all KT drops by a tier to compensate for them being more readily obtained than the devs have thought. It's not that you CAN'T make that change after players have already done the work to obtain them, it's just that doing so really undermines the way the game works. Many people wouldn't choose to raid if the gear was inferior, and I certainly wouldn't have chosen to pursue the drake at 280% speed - I've already got one and may get a second if my oracle egg ever hatches. Reward inflation is relatively common, especially in WoW, but it's very uncommon to go the other way.Green Armadillohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15564045048380177626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-56085526596837563592009-03-09T16:47:00.000-04:002009-03-09T16:47:00.000-04:00I gave up very early in the process. I didn't even...I gave up very early in the process. I didn't even bother with the Brew of the Month, or Brewfest at all this past year for that matter.<BR/><BR/>I picked up my Winterveil present but did no other quests although I've done them twice before.<BR/><BR/>Oddly, I actually did some Lunar Festival achievements for the first time. I just discovered the dresses and shirts in Moonglade and decided to get some on my main and some alts.<BR/><BR/>The group content in holiday events is the largest issue for me. It feels like work trying to get a group together for old content, even though I know that this was the year to do it. Next year will groups will be more difficult to form since most people will have done those holiday bosses this year.houndhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461545986646322317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-40768660124437565952009-03-09T15:57:00.000-04:002009-03-09T15:57:00.000-04:00The road block that I ran into while doing the Hol...The road block that I ran into while doing the Holiday achievement is one of the chain quest that requires you to do a bombing run with a reindeer mount. <BR/><BR/>The quest requires 5 people standing in the circle really killed it for me. <BR/><BR/>Then I later find out that they patching that quest so you won't need 4 other people. Honestly with all these nerfs and changes I don't mind if the mount is not 310% speed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01955589139242446546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-6672754846746345012009-03-09T15:13:00.000-04:002009-03-09T15:13:00.000-04:00"The issue is one of confidence....How can you mak..."The issue is one of confidence....How can you make decisions if you can't trust the information that you're basing them on?" <BR/><BR/>There's an easy answer to this question and a difficult one. The easy answer is to use the law of errors. Quantifying ignorance was just what it was designed to do. <BR/><BR/>The difficult answer is what happens when you take your logic and apply it to class mechanics; you might be able to see why some players like myself have such a problem with the way that Blizzard constantly changes class mechanics. As I said elsewhere, the developers are ruining the game in the name of fixing it. <BR/><BR/>It is undoubtedly true that any game that simply repeats the same thing over and over again (a grind) is going to have limited appeal. But I would assert that the same thing is true in the opposite direction. I actually run on the treadmill and will be heading to the gym to do that later today. Running on the treadmill can be boring, tis true, but I would never want to run on a treadmill where the speed and slope of the treadmill was in constant turmoil; that's a recipe for serious injury. <BR/><BR/>Not everyone learn class mechanics either easily or quickly. When Blizzard makes a significant change, such as the coming nerf to spirit, then some of us feel the same angst you do with achievements. We have time invested in learning to play our characters efficiently and effectively, and now Blizzard is changing the rules in the middle of the game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com