tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post8810655205394121690..comments2023-06-19T10:45:56.724-04:00Comments on Player Versus Developer: Turbine and Cryptic's Approaches to Paid Content PatchesGreen Armadillohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15564045048380177626noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-74226053172854408852010-03-07T12:45:51.694-05:002010-03-07T12:45:51.694-05:00nice post. thanks.nice post. thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-77208803602342755812010-01-30T17:56:46.385-05:002010-01-30T17:56:46.385-05:00It looks like they are applying the Guild Wars mod...It looks like they are applying the Guild Wars model with subscription fees. <br /><br />I think it should either pay monthly fees, or buy boxed expansions every 6 months, but not both.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16507484851860959875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-18343012144695460612010-01-29T13:22:45.268-05:002010-01-29T13:22:45.268-05:00PS: I think you raise a really good question. How...PS: I think you raise a really good question. How little content can Turbine get way with in between paid expansions without players catching on and leaving in droves during the downtime? How little can Cryptic or anyone else get away with for that matter? <br /><br />I don't think a second tier (in terms of subs) MMO can really afford to be as stingy with free content as WoW. But Cryptic and Turbine seem intent on trying it out. To be fair, subs in LoTRO don't seem to have suffered much during the long thin year after that launch of MoM, so I could be mistaken.Yeebohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08028940396189544294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-71974786510698570452010-01-29T13:13:33.006-05:002010-01-29T13:13:33.006-05:00@Green:
When I got my lifetime sub LoTRO was us...@Green: <br />When I got my lifetime sub LoTRO was using a different business model than they are currently. I was able to do more group content then you (at least it seems that way based on what you've said), so I never got stuck..even pre-Angmar revamp. Right around the launch of the new MM area I hit 50 and still had solo quests from eastern Angmar hubs in my log. In between launch and MoM Turbine added new content faster than I could play through it. There is still a lot of the old 50 endgame I never saw. I would have been subbed the whole time regardless, so for me it was a good value.<br /><br />However, if I were starting now..it would be a really poor value. As you say, you would do much better to wait for three month sub/ expansion bundle deals, play through the new content, and then let your sub lapse until the next real expansion. <br /><br />I think Turbine briefly offering a lifetime sub that was good value (at least to some players) was a pretty unique event. It's not a good value now, and other lifetime subs that have been offered (Hellgate London, AoC, CO, STO) don't appear to be very good values either. All this is why I say I'll very likely never go for another lifetime sub.Yeebohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08028940396189544294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-75787111436918673802010-01-29T08:32:24.815-05:002010-01-29T08:32:24.815-05:00@Yeebo: As a pure item shop game, ROM's busine...@Yeebo: As a pure item shop game, ROM's business is selling stuff (mounts, exp potions, teleport runes, etc) that players need as they level. The last thing they want to do is discourage players from trying alts on the new faction by having it cost money to unlock them. <br /><br />Personally, I did not buy the lifetime sub at LOTRO's launch, and I haven't spent anywhere near $200 on fees yet. For me, a $20 mini-expansion works out to $20 + $30 for a 3 month sub (I think the 3 for $30 promo is basically permanent at this point, it's been offered so frequently that there's no point in canceling it), or slightly over $15/month. <br /><br />If the mini-expansions stay at Mirkwood quality, that's worth the money. What won't be worth the money is paying for an extra 3-4 months between mini-expansions with little to no major content added to the game. If the things start dropping in quality too, it might start to make sense to pick up every other mini-expansion, to ensure that there's actually 3 months of stuff to do.<br /><br />Finally, there's the question of how to fit larger-scale projects into the mini-expansion format. Minas Tirith alone might be as much work to build as Mirkwood, but can they offer a paid expansion with no leveling content outside the city?Green Armadillohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15564045048380177626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-67999098655533573062010-01-29T02:04:35.692-05:002010-01-29T02:04:35.692-05:00And I was thinking the $15/month isn't only to...And I was thinking the $15/month isn't only to keep the servers running but also to improve the game. Silly me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-19190435096750976512010-01-29T01:02:14.188-05:002010-01-29T01:02:14.188-05:00I was hoping that we might get some decent content...I was hoping that we might get some decent content in between paid expansions, but those hopes are dwindling. Ironically, many free to play MMOs have been outpacing LoTRO recently. For example, Runes of Magic recently got a whole new faction and set of starting areas. <br /><br /><br />That said, as a lifer who's already saved money on sub fees, I wouldn't mind paying 20 bucks every six months to a year. I imagine that Turbine is hoping there are a lot of players that feel the way I do. <br /><br />I will also likely never go lifer in another MMO again, at least not for $200. If the defacto business model is "pay for hunks of our game" ala Wizard 101 or DDO, you sure as hell better not charge me for a client and server access. I may stop playing sub based MMOs altogether if current trends continue.Yeebohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08028940396189544294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-826986957606858027.post-25579545511323265272010-01-28T22:52:08.795-05:002010-01-28T22:52:08.795-05:00I don't mind paying for additional content whe...I don't mind paying for additional content when I feel a game was largely complete/polished upon initial purchase. I don't like paying when it feels like it should have been released to begin with.<br /><br />This is why I will never pay for The SIms expansions again. They've already had all their ideas, why should I pay for 3 versions of the same expansion? :-P<br /><br />Paid content patches should be reserved for innovative or at least fresh ideas that, maybe, had a chance of being thought of after development was already complete.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01342106182933994479noreply@blogger.com